It's all about revenge,
revenge against people.
I really think it's going to kill one us.
He's going to hit somebody, push somebody, scratch somebody.
I have had scratches from my neck
down to my back.
"I'll kill you.
I'll take you away from everything you love."
I think this thing wants me dead.
Their life source is being sucked out of them,
and they're turning into mummies.
This is not a good situation.
My name is Amy Allan.
There's death here.
Don't wanna go down there.
I see dead people.
They hide in the walls and they watch.
I speak to dead people...
She's definitely a serial killer.
...and they speak to me.
She's going to torture them.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
They were all murdered.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
So is this the only time you've been physically attacked?
I know every person, every house has secrets.
There's no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan.
It's my job to reveal them.
Who do you think possessed you?
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end.
Well, you're not gonna want to see this.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
Hell, no.
Or time to get out.
Everyone is in jeopardy.
I'm up here in Grant Township, Michigan.
It's about 70 miles north of Detroit.
I got a call from a woman named Rene.
Now, she and her husband have been kicked,
scratched, choked...
You name it, they've got through it.
She says it's tearing her family apart,
and she desperately needs our help.
Before Amy arrives,
I have to remove any leading information.
This home has a lot of antique portraits,
personal items, and religious symbols,
so it's important that I cover or remove them all.
When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
The first thing is, like, an earth, elemental thing.
It's angry and vengeful.
I think it's something that was originally part of the Earth,
and then it split off and is now just kind of evil.
It's all about revenge,
revenge against people.
So, Rene, when we were talking on the phone, um,
it sounded like you were going through hell here.
We are living in hell.
It's attacking myself, my husband,
and if we don't get help to reclaim our house,
reclaim our lives,
I really think it's gonna kill one of us.
I believe it's evil.
How long have you lived in the house?
Three and a half years.
My sister actually bought the house for my husband and I
so the family could be close together.
So, Rene, who lives in the house?
It's me, my husband,
and a family friend lives with us also.
Is everybody in the house being affected?
Everybody in the house is being affected,
but it seems to be mostly directed at my husband.
So why do you think that is?
Because Edward had a really rough childhood,
and he's vulnerable because he's bipolar.
If you can, give me a list of what's going on here.
Well, we hear voices.
We're seeing shadow figures,
and we've been having physical attacks,
and our health is declining.
What's the worst health issue for you?
Complete lethargy,
like someone's just taken my energy
and wants to live off what I have.
All right, so what do you think whatever's in this house wants?
I think it just wants to kill, destroy.
Tell me how I can fight and win.
I want to win.
There's this one person here,
a dead dude,
who's psycho and causing problems.
He looks like a preacher or a pastor.
He's really bad.
He says, "I'm gonna kill you, and I'm gonna make you
"...feel the pain of, like,
saying goodbye to all of your loved ones."
So, Rene, I know you're worried about your husband Edward,
but what about you?
What experiences are you having?
Things break here all the time,
and there's no explanation.
Now, you got animals in the house.
Are you sure it wasn't them?
This was happening before we even got the animals.
Okay. Anything else?
Well, my animals have died without explanation.
So obviously, like me, you're an animal lover.
What do you have here?
We have dogs. We have cats. We have chickens.
We have a couple pigs, a sheep, and goats.
If we show any kind of love,
- this house, it -- it... - it will know.
- It will be dead. - I'm sorry.
That's okay.
Okay. Anything else?
Well, I seen a shadow man walk across the kitchen.
Is it something that has a shape to it, or is it just...
He has a shape like Abraham Lincoln.
How often do you see this?
We all see it quite a bit.
All this stuff going on, how are you dealing with it?
People don't really understand.
And you're supposed to be safe in your house.
It's supposed to be your comfort zone.
Come here. You'll be all right. Don't worry about it.
- We'll fix this, okay? - Okay.
I'm seeing a shadow figure in there.
I think it's the pastor dude.
I think the living see him as a shadow,
so he's like,
"I want to show you. Like, look a what I can do.
"I can be, you know, project these images and...with people."
He's reading their minds. This is what scares them.
Like, he's even, like, like, challenging me.
"I'll kill you. I'll take you away from everything you love."
Okay, Rene, so what's going on up here?
I've seen an apparition of a woman
sitting on my bed right there,
and she just sat down...
On the edge here?
...right here, and just stared at me.
Her hair was in a disheveled bun,
but she had huge teeth.
All right. So anything else?
I sometimes get the sensation as if I'm being choked.
Okay. So can you describe it for me?
It's like somebody is taking their fingers
and shoving them down my throat.
Anything else physical like that ever happened to you?
Yes.
There have been a couple of times that I woke up,
and when I woke up, I felt as if I'd been punched in the face.
So I gotta ask, how the hell are you sleeping
with all of this going on? - Well, I barely sleep.
When I do lay down to sleep,
I'm just overwhelmed with all kinds of negative thoughts.
Me being hurt in car cashes.
People leaving me, and people saying that they hate me,
just feeling abandoned all the time.
What the hell you still doing here?
Well, I believe my God is stronger, so I'm gonna fight.
I won't let it get to the point where it kills my husband.
- Okay. - I know that Jesus can win.
I know Amy can win.
It's not good up here. Mnh-mnh, no.
It's really bad up here.
I don't know how...any living person would come up here.
The pastor, this is his area.
The living people here, I think he tortures them.
How?
With nightmares, going, like, into their dreams.
He is literally in their mind, doing this.
I think that he would be capable of...
harming living people up here.
If he's gonna do anything, he's gonna hit somebody,
push somebody, scratch somebody.
You know what I'm saying? So this is not good.
So, Patricia, I understand you're Rene's sister,
and you actually bought this house for her and Edward, right?
Yes.
I feel really guilty because I brought them
to a place where it's dark.
So what about you, Patricia? Any experiences?
- Yes. - Okay.
In the hallway, I saw a shadow figure,
and I thought it was Eddie,
but come to find out, he was sound asleep in the bed,
and there was nobody in the hallway.
Talking to Rene, she's pretty convinced that whatever is here
is trying to kill or really hurt Edward.
- Do you agree with that? - Yeah.
Eddie is very vulnerable,
and his history with his family is horrific.
It attacks the vulnerable.
This pastor is like, "I can do this. This is my domain.
I can do this."
You know, he's like, "I can be everywhere,
and I can be nowhere," and I do think he can.
He goes, "I see their fears."
This shadow person that I saw here,
sitting here, it looked like, almost like a man.
It's something familiar to the living people here.
That it would be like... "That's so-and-so,"
and somehow slightly familiar where it's disturbing.
He likes to... twist that knife.
So, Edward, I was talking to your wife, Rene,
and she was telling me
that she thinks you're, like, the target here.
- I mean, do you agree with that? - Yes, I do.
I think that whatever is here is focusing in on me.
So tell me about your experiences.
What have you had?
I've seen shadow figures in our bathroom,
blocked out the window for half a second,
and I thought, "What in the world was that?"
Sure it couldn't have been maybe a car going by
or somebody walking along the road?
No. No way.
Our windows are very high up,
so it's not like it was somebody outside
that had passed the window.
Okay. What else is going on?
I have been physically attacked.
I have had scratches from my neck down
to my back and bruises.
What kind of bruises?
I would wake up, on my legs, big bruises,
and not have a clue as to where they come from.
Gone to the doctor's about this? Yeah. Yeah.
And he says, "You're healthy as a horse."
Anything else going on as far as physical attacks?
One time, I was walking through my kitchen.
It felt like I got kicked in the stomach,
and I flew back about 15 feet and hit my head on the table,
and just about knocked myself out.
You could've been killed.
I'm afraid for my life in this house.
I feel very confined, just, like,
something is just around me all the time
and won't leave me.
This pastor,
now he's showing me more the image of him --
cape, hat,
very tall,
covering the, lights,
end of the hall.
So I'm thinking that this is an image
that this person would see.
This living person feels trapped by
this -- this presence.
Interesting that as soon as I try to tap the living here,
I'm having issues.
Something important out there.
They don't want me to see it.
I feel like it's still, like, a living person
that doesn't want me to...
deal with that or see that or something.
This is something personal,
something they're connected with.
It's something they don't want...
Maybe their emotional issues.
Rene explained that you had some mental issues
from a tough childhood. - Yeah.
My mother was clinically insane.
I was put in the orphanage at the age of 1.
I didn't get adopted until I was 9 years old.
My father, he murdered my brothers.
They were 23 months old, started the house on fire.
You're breaking my heart, listening to this story.
Do you think because of your traumatic background
that you're vulnerable?
Yes, I do,
and I think this thing attacks the vulnerable.
So would you say that your mental state
has really deteriorated more since you moved in here?
- Yes. Yes. Absolutely. - Okay.
It makes me sick.
This house -- I've gotten, just for no reason,
I'll run to the bathroom and get sick.
What do you think whatever here wants?
I think it's trying to steal my soul.
I think this thing wants me dead.
This elemental thing I saw earlier is bad news.
It makes people sick and it makes people angry.
Damn. And it -- it -- it causes, um, anxiety.
That thing makes them more vulnerable.
It wants to kill a living person here.
One thing it kept showing me was, like,
sacrificing someone in the house.
So my old friend and author T.J. Gaffney called me
when he heard I was in town
investigating Rene and Edward's house.
Now he did some digging for me
and says one of the original owners of the property
had nothing but years of death and bad luck.
Well, T.J., it's good to see you again.
You mentioned on the phone that this Balmer family had nothing
but bad luck when they got on my clients' property,
but before we get to that, who are these people,
and when did they get there?
Well, Alexander Balmer is a Scottish immigrant
who moves to the area in 1851.
Okay.
He buys 80 acres that includes your clients' property,
and they move into and build a log cabin,
just like the one we see over here,
with his wife Isabella and 12 kids.
- In -- in a cabin that size? - In a cabin that size.
What do they do with the property?
Well, he's a farmer, and as you know, back then,
farming was a tough life.
Alexander passes away in 1887 at the age of 84,
and it all starts to go downhill from there.
What happens with the farm?
Well, it passes to his son Andrew.
And how does it go for him?
Well, not well.
About 3 years later, his mom passes away on the farm as well.
Okay, so do we know what she dies from?
Unfortunately not.
There's no death record that we've been able to find.
He's got the property.
Both the parents are gone, so it's his free and clear.
Well, not totally.
He's got three spinster sisters he's got to take care of.
It's so bad for him that he never marries,
never gets to start a family of his own.
I'm getting so much loss and sadness.
I saw bunches of dead bodies.
I think it has something to do with this elemental thing.
What does it look like?
Like a cross between
an insect, a snake,
and a tree.
I think it doesn't like living people.
The other thing it showed me is that
it can make minis of itself,
and these smaller beings can be dispatched to do...
bad things,
I'm thinking to the living, to make them leave.
All right.
So Andrew is there with his three spinster sisters,
and he's got the farm. I mean, what happens now?
Well, in 1913, we get one of the biggest storms
to ever hit the state. - Okay.
It was so devastating that the farm never really recovers.
So what happens after that?
Well, one of the sisters, Janet,
ends up passing later that year of an abdominal aneurysm.
All right, says here she was 71.
- Did she die on the property? - Yes.
What happens with the other two sisters?
Isabell ends up passing away 3 years after that.
She ends up dying from, an intestinal cancer,
and again, she passes away on the property.
Okay, so there's one sister left.
Does he just cut his losses
and sell the property with his sister and move on?
Nope. He stays on the property right until the end of his life,
passes away in 1928 from pneumonia, also on the property.
You weren't kidding when you said
their family had a lot of bad luck.
It seems like every time, you know,
they started to get ahead
or were moving in a positive direction,
something negative happens to 'em.
The elemental thing lives in this tree.
It's impacting the living directly.
How?
I hear, "Break things. Make it hard."
Things will go horribly wrong,
like, you know, the sewer system went.
Not only did that happen, but also the car broke.
And not only did that happen, but also all the TVs exploded.
It's obviously impeding their lives. It's that bad.
Why is it doing this?
It's saying that the living started this,
and now it's acting on...
this revenge.
So before I even got into town,
I reached out to a local genealogist
and had him start looking for the property's history.
Now, he just called back and said, "In the last 50 years,
"four people have died on Rene and Edward's property,
and two of 'em, way too young."
Well, Walt, it's good to see you again.
You mentioned on the phone there were four deaths
in about 50 years in connection with my clients' property.
- Yes. - What's the first one?
Well, it was a young couple, John and Barbara Grimm.
They bought the property in 1963.
Tragically, in 1967, Barbara was diagnosed with ovarian cancer.
Two weeks after the diagnosis, she died in the hospital.
She was only 43 years old.
Okay, so what happened to the husband?
He started drinking heavily,
and five years after her death, in 1972, he sold the property.
Three years after that, tragically,
he died of cirrhosis of the liver.
He was only 55 years old.
So that's two pretty young, sad deaths.
What about the other two?
The third death was a homemaker, Marguerite Girardi.
She died in 1999 of a heart attack on the property.
She was 67 years old.
All right. So what about the fourth one?
The fourth was a World War II veteran,
Chester Ulrich.
He had bought the property in 2002,
and three months later, he died.
He'd also died of a heart attack.
You know, Walt, I just talked to another guy a little while ago,
and he told me about five deaths
associated with the Balmer family
that used to live on the property,
and with this four, that makes nine.
- That's a lot. - I agree.
A lot of whatever it's doing now is revenge.
What does this elemental thing do to the living?
It gets its energy from the living,
like, energy vampire kind of thing, I think.
So how would the living be affected?
It would drain them. It makes people sick.
Their life source, like, is being sucked out of them,
and they're turning into mummies.
It's almost like the person's, like, dehydrating
and, like, starving to death,
so then it would affect living people's organs after a while,
so, like, kidney function, neurological,
like, issues, okay?
I feel like I was having a heart attack.
After a while of consistently being exposed to this thing,
the body's not able to stabilize itself.
The body shuts down. People die.
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So far, I've got clients being physically attacked
on a property connected to nine deaths,
but I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records, I come across a gruesome murder
where a husband bludgeoned his wife to death.
Turns out, the homicide took place less than a mile
from Rene and Edward's property.
I'm meeting a local historian
who says the story of this murder is so crazy,
it could be made into a movie.
Well, Chris, thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate it.
This crazy murder you talked about to me on the phone,
before we get to it, what do we know about the perpetrator?
Well, his name is Elmer Smith.
He had a 208-acre farm about 3/4 mile
from where you guys are investigating.
He's got a psycho look on his face.
You think that's bad, wait until you see his wife.
Really?
In 1937, Elmer marries Helen Forrest.
She moves on the farm right away.
As soon as she moved on the property,
the two began to fight constantly.
Now they're only married not even a year,
and she's already filing for divorce.
Now, Chris, take me to the day of the murder.
What happened?
Well, on Thanksgiving night, November 24, 1938,
it all kind of came to a head when a huge argument broke out
between them about how the farm
was gonna be settled in the divorce.
The argument raised to the point where she comes at him
with a kitchen knife, screaming, "I've got murder in my heart!"
Okay.
Well, he picks up a piece of wood from the stove,
hits her upside of the head with it,
and murders her.
Does he confess?
Well, not right away. He panics.
He takes the piece of wood, her clothing, and burns it.
Then he takes the body, puts it in a large burlap bag,
takes it to the back end of the farm,
and drops it in an abandoned well.
So obviously, he gets arrested,
so they must have found the body.
- What happened? - Well, he cracks under pressure,
and he admits to the whole thing to the sheriff,
and tells them where the body is at.
Okay, so now, Chris, does he plead out
or does he go to trial?
There's a 2-week-long jury trial.
Okay, so what happened? He gets convicted?
The jury acquits him of the murder.
They acquit him?
The minister of the Methodist church
that he attended testified that
he was a religious man and well-respected,
a mild-mannered individual who attended church regularly
until the time of the murder.
- So now, he's acquitted. - Yes.
Does he stay on the property, get married again?
What happens to this guy?
As far as I know, he stays on the property,
and he lives to the ripe old age of 72 years old,
passing away in 1955.
There's his death certificate.
He wind up getting away with murder.
You're right.
This could be made into a movie of the week.
I'm trying to get more on who this pastor guy was in life.
He's got the Bible in his left hand, and he wears this outfit,
you know, like the pastors used to wear
with the big black hat and the black suit.
Do you get any time period?
I'm gonna place him in 1940 or on.
Do you know if he has some connection to the property?
I feel like there was a different structure,
but he is associating himself with this place.
I don't know why, yet.
I don't know, so I guess, he's, like, a psychopath.
And there's another dead person here.
It's a female.
It's, I think, like, maybe a wife?
It feels like they might have been married,
but it wouldn't have been a real marriage.
I don't know how this person who died in here died,
but it was not good, and I'm freaking out
because it was, like, a struggle.
He's yelling at her.
I could say he was abusive.
I'm seeing him throw this chick out, outside.
Something about the floors... Mnh-mnh-mnh.
He's like, "I keep trying to clean 'em,
"and I can't get 'em clean.
I can't get 'em clean. I can't get 'em clean."
I think he killed her.
Boom. Done.
I saw a lot of disturbing things during my walk,
but two stood out.
First, the vengeful creature I saw outside.
He has created himself in the image of the tree,
so his skin takes on the bark appearance.
All right.
His face is more insect-looking.
There's no nose or mouth or anything,
and it's kind of a V-shaped.
Next, I described the angry pastor.
He has the black jacket
and a white, buttoned-up shirt.
It's got that wide-brimmed hat.
Looks like he's been, like, beat up.
Amy, is this who you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Rene and her husband Edward.
Now we're sitting here, so obviously,
the activity in this place is bad.
In fact, Rene told me it's tearing their family apart.
But the real reason she called us in
is because she thinks that whatever is here is deadly,
and she's convinced it's going after Edward.
So now I've introduced Amy to you guys,
I'm going to ask her to describe her walk with us.
Interestingly enough, on this particular walk,
a living person actually put a little bit of a block up
so that I couldn't get a lot of, like, personal things.
I got that this person has a lot of emotional issues
that they don't want to deal with or discuss.
So you know I told you how Rene thinks
Edward's the target, right? - Right.
Well, she also thinks
it's because Edward's got some emotional problems.
Okay.
My father murdered my two brothers in a fire.
I spent 81/2 years in an orphanage.
It has been a struggle.
It feels like the world is on top of me.
Amy, do you think Edward is the person that blocked you?
It's possible.
It's something that you might be doing inadvertently
as a protection measure for yourself.
What else was going on?
One of the things that I saw during my walk
was a deceased female,
and I saw her in the upstairs bedroom,
the very back one.
That's their bedroom.
She was going through extreme despair,
and also, I think if anybody was even slightly sensitive,
they would occasionally see her.
So, Rene, you told me about the woman you saw in your bed.
Tell Amy about that.
She turned and looked at me,
and had these, like, piranha teeth,
and then she just faded away.
You get any idea who this woman might have been?
I believe that she was the wife of a dead male
that is in this house.
I was able to get a lot more on him than her.
This is not a good guy.
I got that he was from probably around 1940,
and he kept showing me a different structure,
but for some reason,
he was associating himself with this place.
He was wearing a black suit, round, black hat.
His dress reminded me of a pastor's dress,
and he kind of claimed to be a man of God.
And then I got that at some point,
he changed direction in his life.
He's extremely angry, very abusive,
had some serious issues with his wife.
It didn't feel like a real marriage.
I saw them fighting in the back room.
I saw her falling to the ground.
I saw him throwing her out of the door and yelling at her.
The woman kept saying, "I want to die. I want to die."
And then I saw the man trying to clean the floors inside,
and then he was screaming at me to get out.
Like, he didn't want me to see
what the hell was going on there.
That's pretty interesting stuff she's just talking about... Wow.
because she reminds me of a homicide
I came across in my research that happened about 3/4-mile
from where your house is.
Perp was a guy named Elmer Smith. He was 55.
In 1937, Smith married a woman named Helen Forrest.
Now as soon as she moved there,
they started fighting like cats and dogs,
and after less then a year,
Helen told Elmer she wanted a divorce.
On Thanksgiving night, November 24, 1938,
Elmer and Helen had a horrible fight.
Things got violent, and Helen grabbed a knife.
Elmer grabs a piece of firewood...
...and bashes her brain in and kills her.
The guy you saw was cleaning the floor
and trying to hide something from you, right?
Yeah. Elmer tried to cover up the homicide.
He took Helen's clothes and the wood
that he bashed her brains in with, and he burned it.
No.
Then he put Helen's body into a burlap bag
and basically dumped it down an old well on the property.
In March of 1939, he got acquitted by a jury.
Turns out, he was very well-liked in the community.
In fact, the local Methodist minister
spoke on Elmer's behalf.
Now, Amy, you said the guy you saw
was a man of God until they went crazy.
Well, the minister said in court
that Elmer was in church every week up until the homicide,
then he stopped going.
Now I was able to track down a photo of Elmer.
He's a real peachy-looking type of guy.
Is it possible Elmer's the guy you saw?
I had a sketch done.
This guy's creepy looking.
You guys take a look.
- Wow. - I can see it.
Mouth's perfectly the same.
The nose is perfectly the same.
It's him.
So does this pastor guy do anything to these two?
I think there's a couple of ways
that you would be able to interact with him.
You would see him, more than likely
as an apparition or shadowy figure
with his hat.
Sometimes, we will see a tall shadow figure
with a hat.
One of the things that he was very proud of is that
he can go inside of your minds
while you're asleep and enter your dreams,
and he can manipulate them,
so I would assume that you would have serious sleep issues.
When I'm trying to go to bed,
the thoughts will start flying through my head,
just terrible things of car crashes,
and I've actually heard in my head,
"You know, you really should kill yourself
and do them a favor."
The thing that concerned me the most
is that he could potentially get physical with the living,
and what I got was specifically pushing,
punching, and scratching.
I woke up and have felt that I've been punched in the face.
You also get the feeling of being choked, right?
Yes.
I mean, like, the finger down the throat.
Wow.
Edward, do me a favor, and tell Amy about
when you got attacked in the kitchen.
I got kicked violently in the chest.
I flew back, hit my head.
And it totally knocked me stupid.
This is all being caused by this pastor guy?
- Yeah. - I'm frightened.
The next thing I saw is a huge problem
and has me very concerned.
So what I ran into outside
is what's called an earth elemental.
So this is being that was originally part of the Earth,
but something caused this thing
to separate itself from the Earth,
and it became its own conscious entity.
I think that this thing, more than likely,
has affected every person who's ever lived here,
and what it likes to do
is create hardships in people's lives.
And in some very extreme cases,
it could cause death.
I did see a lot of dead bodies during my walk,
and I think they might be from this thing.
There have been a lot of deaths on the property over the years,
but individually,
none of them are that shocking to me.
But the sheer number of the people who have died here
is what stands out to me.
I'll take the Balmer family.
They bought this property back in 1851.
Now, five of them died right here on the property.
I've got their death certificates.
It's just a whole bunch of 'em.
So I had a local genealogist look into
the more recent deaths on your property,
and he came up with four in 50 years.
- So I got... - Wow.
...another bunch of death certificates
to go with the property.
And the causes of death cover the spectrum.
I mean, we're talking heart attacks,
abdominal problems, intestinal cancer, you name it.
Now, is this elemental thing possibly the reason
for the deaths you're talking about?
It could've caused some of 'em.
Could people see this elemental? What does it look like?
I did have a sketch of what I saw.
The hell is this?
Wow.
This thing's alive?
In a way.
Does this thing live in the tree in the backyard?
So why don't we just go outside, cut it down, and get rid of it?
No.
Why not?
Well, it'll just go to another tree, or it'll go in the Earth.
When he's collected enough energy,
he can break off into little miniatures of himself,
and these are the parts of him
that are able to create chaos in your lives,
and so kind of what I got was that,
all of a sudden, everything will break down.
Your car will break down one day.
The next day, it'll be your A/C, which is not good.
I'm so tired of living like this because now I'm right back to,
"My gosh, the car is broke now.
"The freezer is full of maggots.
"The dishwasher broke,
and the sink in the bathroom broke today."
The other way that it can harm you is,
when it cut itself off from the Earth directly,
it lost its source of food,
and now what it has to do is feed off of living organisms,
specifically living people and occasionally animals.
So, Rene, can you tell Amy about the animals,
situations going on with them?
They die mysteriously.
We don't understand what or how they die.
So, Rene, can you do me a favor, and tell Amy
how you feel drained all the time in the house?
Yeah, absolutely. No energy whatsoever.
I'll get up after sleeping 12 hours,
and within three hours, I'm back in bed.
Long-term exposure to this thing can lead to death.
I saw very specifically organ-function issues,
liver, kidneys, your heart,
so that's why some of these deaths
may have been caused by it, you know,
especially people who are already compromised.
Your health has declined since you've moved to the house.
Yes. I just feel like it's attacking me personally,
physically and mentally and emotionally.
All right. So what does this thing want?
It blames living people for ruining its land.
It actually became fueled by revenge,
and it's trying to stop at nothing to get you to leave.
If you stayed here long enough, it would suck you dry.
- It is, yeah. - That's exactly what we say.
And it's, "My gosh,
is the light being sucked out of us?"
Are they in a lot of danger?
Yeah. Yeah.
It wants you to die.
So, Rene, you called us in
because you thought Edward was in danger and needed saving.
You were right about that, but based on what Amy told us,
you're in a lot of danger, too.
So now the big question is, can you stay here and fight back,
or do you need to get out while you still can?
So for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
My overall suggestion
would be to move.
Wow.
This would leave no energy source for the elemental,
and I think he would then pass away.
But if you wanted to stay...
you would need to have a male voodoo priest come
and do a ritual in order to expel him.
Why do you need a male voodoo priest to get rid of the pastor?
Because it's something that would absolutely terrify him.
He thinks that he has religion on his side.
The second thing would be to find
a Native American holy person
to try to deal with the elemental.
I don't know if that person would be 100% successful,
so that's where you're taking the chance.
It's a 50/50 shot, and if it doesn't work,
that thing will eventually kill you if you stay here.
Wow.
You really want to take a 50% chance on your life?
- No. - No. It's not worth it.
I want to live. I wanna be happy.
This thing has tried to kill me a couple of times,
and I got lucky.
I want away from it.
You kind of gotta make a hard decision.
I don't see a way out.
We've been looking at houses already.
We'll be prepared, at least emotionally.
It's been a 4-year nightmare,
and this is the first help that I've received.
It's a miracle that we're sitting in front of you.
It really is, and I can't thank you enough.
I'm all right with the answer, though.
Didn't end well,
but we do have a new beginning.
Rene and Edward could have a voodoo priest
remove the pastor guy,
but there's no guarantee a Native American holy person
could get rid of the elemental,
so I really hope they take my advice and move.
If they do that, they should be able to lead
a safe and peaceful life.